the gold is jewelry and the frankincense say like a gift certificate to yank yee candle. >> and the rich people came to jesus and left their gifts in the stable. that is the whole idea. it is that we've got to share with idea. that's what it is about. >> stephen: okay, okay so, this is your idea, sharing with each other. >> well, it's not mine. >> stephen: it's lenin's idea, carl max's idea, i done mean john lenon, okay. now you have been named the atlantic, one of the brave thinkers of 2012. >> wasn't that surprising. that was great. >> stephen: it was kind of brave, because i will tell you why. because you publicly disagreed with the pope over contraception and all male priesthood. >> i think what we've done is we tried to lift up in a plurallistic culture what jesus's story is about. and that's the challenge. trying to figure out in a plul aristic culture how all of us coming to. you know where it ends up coming together. it's 9 constitution. that's the piece that comes together. >> stephen: because jesus wrote the constitution. >> no. but-- . >> stephen: that's what i believe, that's